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Hypocrisy in Open Source: The Linux Ban on Russian Developers

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Hey everyone,

I want to dive into a situation that's been bothering me lately: Linus Torvalds and the Linux community banning Russian developers. If you haven’t heard about it yet, Torvalds recently made the decision to block contributions from Russian programmers amid the Ukraine conflict, and his comments about it are as baffling as they are hypocritical.

Let's break this down.

1. Linus Torvalds’ Comments: Dismissing Complaints as "Russian Trolls"

Torvalds, who holds both Finnish and US citizenship, dismissed the concerns raised about this ban by calling them “Russian trolls.” This alone should raise some red flags. Instead of addressing valid concerns from developers who have contributed to the Linux ecosystem, he brushes them off as trolls. Why? Because they dared to challenge his narrative.

Let’s be real for a moment. Just labeling people as trolls when they raise concerns doesn’t make those concerns any less valid. It’s a convenient way to shut down any meaningful debate and avoid addressing the very real issues of discrimination and double standards here.

This isn't the kind of discourse we expect from someone at the helm of a supposedly global and open-source project. Open source, after all, is about collaboration across borders, regardless of political climates.

2. The Hypocrisy of Sanctions and Discrimination

Torvalds went on to justify the ban by saying, “If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news someday.” And this is where things get murky. He is using geopolitical sanctions as a justification for kicking out Russian developers who, by all accounts, have done nothing wrong besides being Russian. This is where the line between following sanctions and outright discrimination blurs.

Here’s the kicker: Torvalds also stated, “I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression?” This argument doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. How does banning individuals who are part of a global open-source project equate to taking a stand against “Russian aggression”? These developers aren’t politicians or soldiers; they are programmers contributing to something much bigger than politics. The decision feels like punishing individuals for the actions of their government—something that stands against the very principles of collaboration and unity that open-source is supposed to embody.

If anything, this decision is more about aligning with US interests (remember, Torvalds also holds US citizenship) than taking a moral stand. And that brings us to the hypocrisy of it all: why weren't developers from the US, UK, or France banned when their governments were involved in questionable wars and foreign policies? The Iraq War, Afghanistan, Libya—no bans were ever enforced against those contributors. It's selective outrage at its finest.

3. The Corporate Manipulation of Open Source

Let’s also talk about the larger issue here: the corporate manipulation of open-source projects. Torvalds’ decision aligns perfectly with the sanctions imposed by the US, EU, and their allies after the Ukraine conflict. Western firms were banned from doing business with Russian companies, but this isn't about corporate law—it’s about open-source collaboration, which has always been beyond borders. Now, we see how even open-source projects can be used as tools in geopolitical power plays.

What does this mean for the future of open source? It sets a dangerous precedent. When open-source projects, which should be neutral and inclusive, start picking sides in geopolitical conflicts, it undermines the very purpose of those projects. This is why many of us who believed in the global, borderless nature of open source are now questioning whether we can trust organizations like the Linux Foundation, especially when they seem to follow the political directives of superpowers.

4. Open Source’s Double Standards: Where Were the Bans for US, UK, and French Developers?

One glaring hypocrisy is the selective application of moral outrage. As I mentioned earlier, no open-source bans were ever imposed on developers from nations like the US, UK, or France, even though their governments were involved in wars that killed thousands of civilians. This isn’t about standing up for human rights or morality—this is about aligning with the political and economic interests of Western powers. Torvalds and the Linux community have picked a side, and it’s the one that happens to align with US geopolitical interests. Let’s call it what it is: discrimination dressed up as morality.

The truth is, if you want to claim moral superiority, you have to abide by those same moral standards across the board, not just when it’s convenient. Otherwise, you’re just a hypocrite.

5. A Lesson in Trust: Don’t Rely on NGOs Based in Superpowers

The Linux Foundation, like many other NGOs registered in superpower nations, has shown its true colors. While they may claim neutrality, the reality is they are subject to the same political pressures and biases as any other organization based in the West. This incident should be a wake-up call for all of us. Whether it's Linux or any other open-source project, we need to think twice before placing blind trust in organizations that are ultimately beholden to the political climates of their home countries.

Conclusion: A Hypocritical and Petty Move

Linus Torvalds' decision to ban Russian developers is not a moral stand—it’s a hypocritical, petty move that betrays the principles of openness and collaboration that the Linux community was built on. It’s also a clear reminder that even the most seemingly neutral organizations are not immune to political manipulation. Open source should be for everyone, regardless of nationality or political circumstances. Banning individuals for something they have no control over is wrong, and we should call it out for what it is: discrimination.

What do you all think about this move? Does it make you question the integrity of open-source projects as much as it does for me? Let’s discuss.

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Re: Hypocrisy in Open Source: The Linux Ban on Russian Developers

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CubicleRebel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:27 pm
What do you all think about this move? Does it make you question the integrity of open-source projects as much as it does for me? Let’s discuss.

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This is how Linus Torvalds sees himself nowadays:

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CubicleRebel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:27 pm Here’s the kicker: Torvalds also stated, “I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression?” This argument doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. How does banning individuals who are part of a global open-source project equate to taking a stand against “Russian aggression”? These developers aren’t politicians or soldiers; they are programmers contributing to something much bigger than politics. The decision feels like punishing individuals for the actions of their government—something that stands against the very principles of collaboration and unity that open-source is supposed to embody.
I couldn’t help but laugh at how delusional this whole situation has become. The image of Linus seeing himself as some sort of Captain America figure, protecting the sanctity of open-source from the “big bad Russians,” is just too much.

Now let’s get real for a second. If you take Linus' comment, “I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression?” and pair it with his decision to block Russian developers, it paints a clear picture. This isn’t just about compliance with sanctions—it reeks of personal bias. Finland has its own historical tensions with Russia, and Linus seems more than happy to lean into that. It’s as though he’s weaponizing his role in the Linux community to make a political statement, all while hiding behind the veil of legality.

Did the G-man Pay a Visit?
CubicleRebel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:27 pm Torvalds’ decision aligns perfectly with the sanctions imposed by the US, EU, and their allies after the Ukraine conflict. Western firms were banned from doing business with Russian companies, but this isn't about corporate law—it’s about open-source collaboration, which has always been beyond borders. Now, we see how even open-source projects can be used as tools in geopolitical power plays.
Here’s my theory: someone from “higher up” likely leaned on Linus and the Linux Foundation, suggesting this ban was necessary to avoid sanctions or other legal troubles. But here’s the kicker—even if Linus was pressured into this, he’s clearly embracing the decision with open arms. His patriotic justification, “I'm Finnish. Did you think I’d support Russian aggression?” makes it crystal clear he’s not losing any sleep over it. In fact, it seems like he’s relishing the chance to play moral arbiter.

Selective Outrage and the Patriot Wannabe Persona

It’s hard not to notice the double standards here. As the original post pointed out, developers from countries involved in questionable wars (hi, USA, UK, and France) have never been banned. So why are Russian developers suddenly persona non grata? Is it because they’re an easier target for Torvalds to virtue-signal against? Or is it just because he knows he can get away with it?

Let’s call it what it is: hypocrisy dressed up as heroism. And his comment about “Russian trolls” complaining? That’s just a lazy attempt to dismiss criticism without actually addressing the valid points being made. If anything, it makes him look even more petty.

Open Source Should Be Borderless, Not Biased

The whole point of open source is to transcend borders, ideologies, and politics. It’s supposed to be a collaborative space where the focus is on innovation, not nationalism. By banning Russian developers, Linus and the Linux Foundation have betrayed those principles. And for what? To virtue-signal? To fall in line with Western political narratives?

If this is the direction open source is heading, it’s a huge red flag for all of us. It shows that even in spaces that are meant to be inclusive, bias and discrimination can take root when leaders prioritize their egos and politics over the community’s ideals.

What do you think? Is Linus just caving under pressure, or does he genuinely believe he’s the “Captain America” of the open-source world? Either way, it’s a sad year for Open Source collaboration and inclusivity. Back in my good old days of contributing to open-source projects, everyone used to accept commits from anyone who proved they knew what they were doing. Every open-source project should follow the mentality of " I don't care where you are from as long as you are a talented programmer.". Unfortunately, that is not what is happening with the Linux foundation nowadays.

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Re: Hypocrisy in Open Source: The Linux Ban on Russian Developers

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CubicleRebel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:27 pm
“If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news someday.” And this is where things get murky. He is using geopolitical sanctions as a justification for kicking out Russian developers who, by all accounts, have done nothing wrong besides being Russian. This is where the line between following sanctions and outright discrimination blurs.

Here’s the kicker: Torvalds also stated, “I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression?” This argument doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. How does banning individuals who are part of a global open-source project equate to taking a stand against “Russian aggression”? These developers aren’t politicians or soldiers; they are programmers contributing to something much bigger than politics. The decision feels like punishing individuals for the actions of their government—something that stands against the very principles of collaboration and unity that open-source is supposed to embody.

If anything, this decision is more about aligning with US interests (remember, Torvalds also holds US citizenship) than taking a moral stand. And that brings us to the hypocrisy of it all: why weren't developers from the US, UK, or France banned when their governments were involved in questionable wars and foreign policies? The Iraq War, Afghanistan, Libya—no bans were ever enforced against those contributors. It's selective outrage at its finest.


I bet. He’s the kind of guy who gets home, puts on headphones, and blasts “America, F*** Yeah” on repeat while coding, convinced he’s single-handedly saving the open-source world together with America Monroe's Doctrine and our addiction of acting as the world's sheriff. After all America is perfect right? We don't have any real internal issues to deal with right? Cough... cough like the meth epidemic in the streets of LA and San Francisco. What a joke!



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Linus has always struck me as a caricature of blind patriotism. “I’m Finnish, so obviously, I have to be anti-Russian!” Like, seriously? He might as well be waving an American flag while shouting, “Freedom fries, not French fries!” The guy acts like the global open-source community should align itself with his political biases. It’s almost comical how someone so smart can be so narrow-minded.

And let’s not ignore how this reeks of someone trying to curry favor with Uncle Sam. Linus holds US citizenship, right? So banning Russian developers conveniently aligns with US foreign policy. This isn’t about morality or principle; it’s about sucking up to the powers that be. What’s next? A Linux patch that only works if your IP address is from a NATO country?
CareerCynic wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 4:46 pm Did the G-man Pay a Visit?
CubicleRebel wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:27 pm Torvalds’ decision aligns perfectly with the sanctions imposed by the US, EU, and their allies after the Ukraine conflict. Western firms were banned from doing business with Russian companies, but this isn't about corporate law—it’s about open-source collaboration, which has always been beyond borders. Now, we see how even open-source projects can be used as tools in geopolitical power plays.
Here’s my theory: someone from “higher up” likely leaned on Linus and the Linux Foundation, suggesting this ban was necessary to avoid sanctions or other legal troubles. But here’s the kicker—even if Linus was pressured into this, he’s clearly embracing the decision with open arms. His patriotic justification, “I'm Finnish. Did you think I’d support Russian aggression?” makes it crystal clear he’s not losing any sleep over it. In fact, it seems like he’s relishing the chance to play moral arbiter.
I agree with you on this one. The government is likely pulling the strings, but we can't deny the fact that Linus probably gets a kick out of banning these developers just because they are Russians, I believe he has a deep hatred for anyone who hails from there. Honestly, the hypocrisy is unbearable. Where was all this “moral stand” energy during the Iraq invasion or when the US was bombing Libya into chaos? Oh, right, Linus didn’t care because it didn’t fit his Finnish-American narrative. He’s quick to punish Russian devs who had absolutely zero say in their government’s actions, but when it comes to US, UK, or French contributors? Crickets.

Linus has always come off as an egotistical snob who treats the open-source world as his personal kingdom. He and Richard Stallman deserve each other. Two narcissists who think they’re the gods of open source while using the community as pawns in their petty games.

At the end of the day, this just proves one thing: trusting people like Linus to keep politics out of open source is a fool’s errand. The guy’s drunk on his own ego and can’t see past his personal biases.

What do you guys think? Is Linus just a patriot gone rogue, or has he always been this self-righteous?

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Re: Hypocrisy in Open Source: The Linux Ban on Russian Developers

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It’s amazing how Linus can demand respect and loyalty from developers while giving none in return. The Russian maintainers didn’t deserve this, and everyone knows it. This move won’t hurt Russia’s government, but it will hurt the Linux community. And for what? To make Linus feel morally superior? Spare me. He could've at least been honest with us by admitting the US government pressured him to do those bans. But instead, he tries to sell us this bullshit of him being a real American-Finnish Patriot ready to bring freedom to the free world by kicking out the evil Russians that are trying to conquer the world Lmao. He really thinks we are a bunch of simpletons that watched too many 007 movies with the cringiest stereotypes about Russians and Middle Easterns lol. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Welp, I've got some news for you Mr.Torvalds we didn't fall for it. This only made you lose even more credibility.
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